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    #31
    Hey WogBoy what dose of gear were you on when you did this? TRT or none at all ?

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      #32
      Originally posted by RobbyVIP View Post
      Hey WogBoy what dose of gear were you on when you did this? TRT or none at all ?
      WogBoy Would like to know as well. Not for fertility reasons but to try and get natural levels back somewhat as I'm going to have to come off TRT for about 6 months (for a medical procedure) which I've been on for around 3 years.

      Would my 3 x weekly HCG dosage's be lower and, or for a lesser period given that I don't really cycle (I do throw in an oral a couple of times a year for 6 weeks blocks). Or is it the case where your shut down and the suppression is the same what ever you have chosen to run and more so since I've been on long term my suppression is the same as a heavy cycle user?

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        #33
        Originally posted by RRC View Post

        WogBoy Would like to know as well. Not for fertility reasons but to try and get natural levels back somewhat as I'm going to have to come off TRT for about 6 months (for a medical procedure) which I've been on for around 3 years.

        Would my 3 x weekly HCG dosage's be lower and, or for a lesser period given that I don't really cycle (I do throw in an oral a couple of times a year for 6 weeks blocks). Or is it the case where your shut down and the suppression is the same what ever you have chosen to run and more so since I've been on long term my suppression is the same as a heavy cycle user?
        Suppression is suppression.

        Regardless of the amount of gear used!

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          #34
          I will have been on a year in June.....think I'll only get off now briefly to get on trt

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            #35
            Rockdawgz not sure of the circumstances ,but you can blast for a year an come off an pct an recover no problems , a yrs nothing really, your body would recover naturally even without pct drugs, people are saying if you've been on for x amount of time that's it you'll end up on trt,bullshit you will ,dont know a single bloke I trained with even from the 90s ,that ended up on trt,its more of a American thing cause it's so easily accessed there ,dont know a single bloke that ended up on trt from steriod abuse,met alot of blokes that choose to go on a trt dose or had medical condition that required it,

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              #36
              Originally posted by RobbyVIP View Post
              Hey WogBoy what dose of gear were you on when you did this? TRT or none at all ?
              When I first went on the fertility program I dropped using all aas. I had been on trt and blasting at least 4 years straight. **(Edit to add no hcg was used during this period, atrophy bad )

              I pretty much had no sperm, count was like 1500 instead of being in the millions.
              And what I had were in bad shape, tails missing, not swimming right etc.. basically morphology and motility were screwed too.
              Coming off completely wasn’t as bad as I feared , the hcg kept test level around 18 so I didn’t feel Too crashed.
              yeah I dropped few kgs and smoothed over a bit too , but again not as bad as I feared.

              Stayed off all ass and used hcg+ rfsh , around 10 months all up , mainly that long as the missus at the time was working through her fertility issues/surgeries also.

              But at around the 6 month mark I had sperm count over 90 million and morphology motility etc was all up 95%+. Just from hcg + rfsh

              after e everything said and done, froze some sperm too , I went back on , flat out .
              Still kept running the hcg and fsh.
              About 10 months of blasting and running hcg fsh I got another chic pregnant.

              So , any advice, or experience I can give or hypothesise would be ...
              to regain fertility... drop all suppressing aas . Run hcg fsh.
              Once fertility is achieved, in my case it seemed it was able to be maintained while on aas , using hcg and fsh, although I will say it does seem to be slowly dropping again now , purely going by ejaculate volume, I haven’t had a recent analysis.

              Hope this answers questions, anything questions fire away , just sharing my personal experience
              Last edited by WogBoy; 24-03-2019, 04:39 PM.

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                #37
                Originally posted by DEEZNUTS View Post

                Suppression is suppression.

                Regardless of the amount of gear used!
                Yes correct. Trt dose test or 5 grams , no different , if ur suppressed ur suppressed, Ur body stops producing its own.
                RRC


                Although some compounds have the ability to keep suppressing after u stop using them longer than others .
                Last edited by WogBoy; 24-03-2019, 03:05 AM.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by WogBoy View Post

                  Yes correct. Trt dose test or 5 grams , no different , if ur suppressed ur suppressed, Ur body stops producing its own.
                  RRC

                  Although some compounds have the ability to keep suppressing after u stop using them longer than others .
                  WogBoy DEEZNUTS I pretty much knew this, but I'm in denial and was looking for some small thread of hope that I might bounce back to natty levels in 4 weeks!!

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by RRC View Post

                    WogBoy Would like to know as well. Not for fertility reasons but to try and get natural levels back somewhat as I'm going to have to come off TRT for about 6 months (for a medical procedure) which I've been on for around 3 years.

                    Would my 3 x weekly HCG dosage's be lower and, or for a lesser period given that I don't really cycle (I do throw in an oral a couple of times a year for 6 weeks blocks). Or is it the case where your shut down and the suppression is the same what ever you have chosen to run and more so since I've been on long term my suppression is the same as a heavy cycle user?
                    Are u going to go back on trt after 6 months off?
                    If u are , is it even worth it to try get ur hpta back online just to shut it down again 6mths later?

                    if u are going to go on trt again I feel shut down isn’t really an issue, just healthy test level is
                    As long as u are not primary hypogonadism u could just run hcg during this 6mth period and have a healthy test level...
                    u will still be suppressed by the hcg , but u will have ok test levels from the hcg and u will feel ok still . U won’t get that crash .
                    Then u go back on trt , in effect u will be suppressed the whole time , trt is supposed to be for life anyway.

                    Primary hypogonadism is basically when ur nuts don’t work, so using hcg won’t do anything, they get the lh signal but don’t work
                    Secondary hypogonadism is what most of us have, ur nuts work , but the lh signal has been shut down so ur nuts they are ‘dormant’
                    When u are secondary, u introduce lh signal through hcg and they fire up again, start making test .

                    But if ur not going back on trt , well then I’d run hcg for some period of time, then switch to the clomid + nolva combo , as described in previous posts.

                    And yes like u mentioned, u could just do nothing and wait for ur body to hopefully recover the hpta function on its own, yes it usually does eventually happen (if ur secondary that is) but that can take a very very long time , years sometimes,
                    and usually u don’t achieve the previous test levels u had , but then again our test levels drop as we age anyway.

                    All depends on what u plan to do in the future, natty or not , trt.. cycle , as to what I’d recommend

                    but personally what ever ur plan, I would use the science and meds available to us , I wouldn’t just hope for the best and suffer through a long slow non assisted recovery.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by WogBoy View Post

                      Are u going to go back on trt after 6 months off?
                      If u are , is it even worth it to try get ur hpta back online just to shut it down again 6mths later?

                      if u are going to go on trt again I feel shut down isn’t really an issue, just healthy test level is
                      As long as u are not primary hypogonadism u could just run hcg during this 6mth period and have a healthy test level...
                      u will still be suppressed by the hcg , but u will have ok test levels from the hcg and u will feel ok still . U won’t get that crash .
                      Then u go back on trt , in effect u will be suppressed the whole time , trt is supposed to be for life anyway.

                      Primary hypogonadism is basically when ur nuts don’t work, so using hcg won’t do anything, they get the lh signal but don’t work
                      Secondary hypogonadism is what most of us have, ur nuts work , but the lh signal has been shut down so ur nuts they are ‘dormant’
                      When u are secondary, u introduce lh signal through hcg and they fire up again, start making test .

                      But if ur not going back on trt , well then I’d run hcg for some period of time, then switch to the clomid + nolva combo , as described in previous posts.

                      And yes like u mentioned, u could just do nothing and wait for ur body to hopefully recover the hpta function on its own, yes it usually does eventually happen (if ur secondary that is) but that can take a very very long time , years sometimes,
                      and usually u don’t achieve the previous test levels u had , but then again our test levels drop as we age anyway.

                      All depends on what u plan to do in the future, natty or not , trt.. cycle , as to what I’d recommend

                      but personally what ever ur plan, I would use the science and meds available to us , I wouldn’t just hope for the best and suffer through a long slow non assisted recovery.
                      Thanks for the reply.

                      I will 110% be going back on TRT. Basically I'm coming off as I have an eye condition (CSR - fluid behind the retina causing vision distortion, usually just effects 1 eye luckily) It is an eye disease thought to target certain people with Type A personalities high stress, stimulants etc and/or exogenous testosterone usage (it came on when I added some additional compounds to my regular TRT, so I think it was probably caused by me adding other gear in rather than just sticking to my very moderate dose TRT. Then when I dropped them it still didn't clear up). The condition usually self corrects after 3 - 6 months when stopping the issue that is causing it. I've now dropped my TRT, as well as eliminating all pre-workout drinks, coffee etc. I have an appointment with a eye specialist as it hasn't cleared after 6 months and got a bit worse, so it may require laser surgery. I want to explore all other avenues before trying surgery and if that means coming off totally for a few months, as much as I don't want to, I want to try this option.

                      I would assume I'll be off completely for around 6 months - including eliminating HCG, until this has either sorted itself out or I've had surgery.

                      I've been off for 6 weeks now and currently running HCG at 500mcg 3 x per week which will run out this week. Have had zero E2 issues at all thus far. Body weight has only dropped 2kgs and strength loss very minor, although sex drive has dropped as well, I wouldn't say it's through the floor.

                      I don't particularly want to run Clomid as I've had eye issues using that years ago and it's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. I do have Nolva on hand but wanted to try and come completely off everything if possible. (unless I feel my E2 becoming elevated).

                      What's the likely result of me choosing not to run Nolva after my HCG run? (apart from negating elevated E2 issues)

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Gymshark View Post
                        Rockdawgz not sure of the circumstances ,but you can blast for a year an come off an pct an recover no problems , a yrs nothing really, your body would recover naturally even without pct drugs, people are saying if you've been on for x amount of time that's it you'll end up on trt,bullshit you will ,dont know a single bloke I trained with even from the 90s ,that ended up on trt,its more of a American thing cause it's so easily accessed there ,dont know a single bloke that ended up on trt from steriod abuse,met alot of blokes that choose to go on a trt dose or had medical condition that required it,
                        I meant coming off to drop level low enough to get prescribed, still by choice. Apologies any confusion..at wogboy shoulda stayed shooting blanks bro life would have been simpler! Jks...hope it's sorted now

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by RRC View Post

                          Thanks for the reply.

                          I will 110% be going back on TRT. Basically I'm coming off as I have an eye condition (CSR - fluid behind the retina causing vision distortion, usually just effects 1 eye luckily) It is an eye disease thought to target certain people with Type A personalities high stress, stimulants etc and/or exogenous testosterone usage (it came on when I added some additional compounds to my regular TRT, so I think it was probably caused by me adding other gear in rather than just sticking to my very moderate dose TRT. Then when I dropped them it still didn't clear up). The condition usually self corrects after 3 - 6 months when stopping the issue that is causing it. I've now dropped my TRT, as well as eliminating all pre-workout drinks, coffee etc. I have an appointment with a eye specialist as it hasn't cleared after 6 months and got a bit worse, so it may require laser surgery. I want to explore all other avenues before trying surgery and if that means coming off totally for a few months, as much as I don't want to, I want to try this option.

                          I would assume I'll be off completely for around 6 months - including eliminating HCG, until this has either sorted itself out or I've had surgery.

                          I've been off for 6 weeks now and currently running HCG at 500mcg 3 x per week which will run out this week. Have had zero E2 issues at all thus far. Body weight has only dropped 2kgs and strength loss very minor, although sex drive has dropped as well, I wouldn't say it's through the floor.

                          I don't particularly want to run Clomid as I've had eye issues using that years ago and it's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. I do have Nolva on hand but wanted to try and come completely off everything if possible. (unless I feel my E2 becoming elevated).

                          What's the likely result of me choosing not to run Nolva after my HCG run? (apart from negating elevated E2 issues)
                          If u drop hcg and dont run nolva pretty much guarantee u will crash a bit , or have a lag period,
                          hcg will fire up ur itt and natty test production, stimulate teste cell re growth, but hcg still suppresses u , as in u wont have ur own lh signal from ur pituitary up n running yet. Hcg was doing that for u .
                          if u want to come off every completely

                          id recommend running nolva for a period stimulate ur pituitary response to take over , wouldn't run clomid for the reasons u said .
                          if it came down to it that i could only choose one id go nolva over clomid anyway personally.
                          its pretty complicated but in simple terms nolva won't lower ur e2 just block it at receptor sites, thus 'fool' ur pituitary to mske lh.
                          let us know how u go bro .

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Rockdawgz View Post
                            Good to see you back my brother....hope things are getting better...

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                            Cheers bro , yeah life gets busy sometimes, but i tend to make it even more eventful not being able to resist keep my dick away from all these dirty filthy naughty girls
                            Haha i aint gonna change

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by WogBoy View Post

                              If u drop hcg and dont run nolva pretty much guarantee u will crash a bit , or have a lag period,
                              hcg will fire up ur itt and natty test production, stimulate teste cell re growth, but hcg still suppresses u , as in u wont have ur own lh signal from ur pituitary up n running yet. Hcg was doing that for u .
                              if u want to come off every completely

                              id recommend running nolva for a period stimulate ur pituitary response to take over , wouldn't run clomid for the reasons u said .
                              if it came down to it that i could only choose one id go nolva over clomid anyway personally.
                              its pretty complicated but in simple terms nolva won't lower ur e2 just block it at receptor sites, thus 'fool' ur pituitary to mske lh.
                              let us know how u go bro .
                              Been off for just over 2 months now and had my bloods done at the doctor. Ran one vial of HCG at 500 3 x PW then finished with Nolva for 20mg ED for 2 weeks and 10mg ED 2 weeks. Total Test was 12 nmol/L (Ref Range is 10 - 33) and Free Test was 220 pmol/L Ref Range is 150 - 700).

                              Pretty shit levels, but given that I was on TRT for 3+ years straight and after about 10 weeks came back more than I thought I would at this point. Prior to TRT I hovered between 14 - 18 nmol/L as it was.

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